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CardsForSorrow · Aug 15, 2001, 12:55 AM,

"Life is like a game of cards. The hand that is dealt you represents determinism; the way you play it is free will."
--Jawaharlal Nehru

Which do you believe in? Are our lives pre-destined, or can we choose our path in life?

Glacialis · Aug 15, 2001, 12:57 AM,

I believe that every possible outcome of every possible situation happen in another quantum-realities. So somewhere, there's a reality where I am all that I've wanted to be. Thumbs up to you Ile, who art somewhere there.

CardsForSorrow · Aug 15, 2001, 01:19 AM,

Thats a nice view to have.... my thoughts later when I think of the best way to phrase them, and am slightly more awake...

JuggleFoe · Aug 15, 2001, 01:56 AM,

Quote:Quote: from Glacialis on 6:57 pm on Aug. 14, 2001
I believe that every possible outcome of every possible situation happen in another quantum-realities. So somewhere, there's a reality where I am all that I've wanted to be. Thumbs up to you Ile, who art somewhere there.

that smacks of my personal philosophy (heavily influenced by anton levay, of course) that my intuition is the voice of my future greatest self leading me on the correct path.

but to answer the question of the thread, if there is one thing that i believe wholeheartedly, it's that nothing is absolute.

ever.

(Edited by JuggleFoe at 7:57 pm on Aug. 14, 2001)

CardsForSorrow · Aug 15, 2001, 02:05 AM,

I liked my first quote about cards, because, it sums up what I think about life. You have what you end up with in life, and that is it. Wether you are born male/female, rich/poor, British/American/Australian/Spanish/French/India/Chinese etc, that is what you have. But then it is up to you what you do with what you have, wether you are happy about it, and make do, wether you live, trapped by your limitations, or wether you search for more. But throughout all this, you are still limited by the hand you have been delt.

Sorry, to delve into more quotes, but its the best way I can think of to explain myself...

"If at first you don't succeed, you're running above average."
--M. H. Alderson

We can not give up hope in our lives. If we have free will, giving up hope means our fate will never be fufilled. If fate is pre-destined, we still can take no pleasure in a fate we played no part in bringing about.

"We create our fate every day we live."
--Henry Miller

Even if our lives are pre-destined, we still have been pre-destined to play our part in it, and at very least, we should do the best we can to get where we are going, and with a smile on our faces.

"I learn by going where I have to go."
--Theodore Roethke

Obsticals are placed in our path, but we should not turn back. We should find our way over, not around, them, and learn from our bad experiences, for an experience is not worth having if we can not learn from it.

[i]"Life is a series of collisions with the future; it is not a sum of what we have been but what we yearn to be."
--Jose Ortega y Gassett[i]

I chose my fate, my fate does not chose me.... I decide to make my desisions, even if they will make me unhappy in the end... perhaps i know that from the start...

Glacialis · Aug 15, 2001, 02:09 AM,

Dear Lord. This is just too positive for me to read... Shakehead

Sorry Mags.

CardsForSorrow · Aug 15, 2001, 02:14 AM,

Hey, throughout things in my life, I just realized that I have to be positive... there is no time to be otherwise.... "Its astounding, Time is fleeting" and all that Jazz.... and it may sound worn out, but you dont realize untill something affects you, how true it is, and always will be........

"Always look on the bright side of life"

(OK, OK, Im a closet Monty Python fan.... so shoot me)

Glacialis · Aug 15, 2001, 02:17 AM,

I didn't get anything good out from being positive. On the other hand, being negative, I can always be positively surprised, or say "I told you".

I tend to look at the good things in things, but others say that I'm just being cynical and ironical. Smile