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Glacialis
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Posted on: 12:11 pm on Sep. 24, 2001 |   | IP
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Something that make's me chuckle cynically is, that the few thousand who died in the WTC incident, made the world react in such a way. People abroad are donating blood, and loads of money and help offers are given throughout the world.
Then, when 60 000 die in an earthquake in India, there's a small article about it in the corner of a newspaper, and maybe some humanitarian aid is sent there by few organizations, and the thing is soon forgotten in all silence.
So it'd seem that people in the western world are worth more than those in the third world. Hah. Humans. 
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Amor Fati
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Posted on: 12:50 pm on Sep. 24, 2001 | | IP
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It's all about spirit. And, ultimately, about people being selfish. They ar enot doing this necesarily for others, but against something. Or for themselves. It's their way to reacting to something. Of rebelling against the ones who caused this, and showing them that they can't be broken. In the case of and earthwuake, who do you rebel against? GOd? Come on...You just feel sympathetic and move on. I mean there were wuakes in the States too, and the hype wasn't that big. But this time there's an enemy. As invisible and as hard to define as it might be, it exists. And people are being strong and showing IT that it cannot break them...And I admire them for this.
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Girl Fly
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Posted on: 4:14 pm on Sep. 24, 2001 | | IP
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Androcentric bias is truly a marvellous thing.
There will be little to no consideration of the inevitable fatalities that air strikes in Afghanistan would/will [update accordingly] cause; it's seen as an eye for an eye. That the US is not targeting the perpetrators but rather more innocents is seen to be somewhat of an equal, and therefore permissable, act of retaliation.
It's a somewhat childish approach - "you took 6000 of ours, so we'll take 6000 of yours. Yeah, me and my big brother Dave are gonna make sure you PAY, rat fuck!"
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CardsForSorrow
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Posted on: 4:25 pm on Sep. 24, 2001 | | IP
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*shakes head in sorrow, and walks away from topic*
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JuggleFoe 
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Posted on: 10:00 pm on Sep. 24, 2001 | | IP
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Quote: from Glacialis on 2:11 pm on Sep. 24, 2001
Something that make's me chuckle cynically is, that the few thousand who died in the WTC incident, made the world react in such a way. People abroad are donating blood, and loads of money and help offers are given throughout the world.
Then, when 60 000 die in an earthquake in India, there's a small article about it in the corner of a newspaper, and maybe some humanitarian aid is sent there by few organizations, and the thing is soon forgotten in all silence.
So it'd seem that people in the western world are worth more than those in the third world. Hah. Humans.
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one was a calculated and savage terrorist attack, and the other was an act of nature.
sorry.
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Amor Fati
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Posted on: 2:40 am on Sep. 25, 2001 | | IP
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My point exactly.
Anyway, what puzzles me is that people here are starting to admire bin Laden. He's become some sort of a hero over here. Poor guy, he's so kind and smart, but the system or whatever made him a killer. Bleh.
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JuggleFoe
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Posted on: 5:42 am on Sep. 25, 2001 | | IP
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uh-huh.
and charles manson was a front for the c.i.a., not a deranged racist, trying to spark a race war between blacks and whites...
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Glacialis
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Posted on: 12:21 pm on Sep. 25, 2001 | | IP
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Act of nature or not, they're still dead, and dead people are dead in only one way, so I think there should be at least similar amount of support. You can't really predict acts of nature, but if you've got any intelligence, you can see that something big is about to go down in the terror front, and should prepare for it.
Personally, I thought that they'd use one of those nuclear devices missing from the Russians to blow the heart of some heavily populated urban center, but still, I've been saying for a few years, that the fundamental muslims are soon going to do something big against USA. (K, I'll quit. It's turning into "I told ya"-type of text. :/ )
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Amor Fati
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Posted on: 12:36 pm on Sep. 25, 2001 | | IP
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Nonetheless they should be punished.
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Glacialis
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Posted on: 2:01 pm on Sep. 25, 2001 | | IP
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Yes, the people behind the deed should be, not all the Afghans. All who have the means are trying to get out of country, and those too poor to be able to flee, are left behind to be trampled by the US juggernaut, unless the US does actually target the terrorists (which I don't believe too much)
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"you took 6000 of ours, so we'll take 6000 of yours. Yeah, me and my big brother Dave are gonna make sure you PAY, rat fuck!"
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is the approach I would really expect from USA.
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JuggleFoe
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Posted on: 5:08 pm on Sep. 25, 2001 | | IP
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Quote: from Glacialis on 2:21 pm on Sep. 25, 2001
Act of nature or not, they're still dead, and dead people are dead in only one way, so I think there should be at least similar amount of support. You can't really predict acts of nature, but if you've got any intelligence, you can see that something big is about to go down in the terror front, and should prepare for it.
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yeah.
i guess you didn't realize that's exactly what makes it so tragic.
what? you want india to wage a war on earthquakes? here's a fucking idea, stop living there.
i have no idea how you can compare these two situations.
they're like apples and chainsaws.
one is nature, the other one tears shit to shreds.
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Glacialis
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Posted on: 12:28 am on Sep. 26, 2001 | | IP
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Quote: from JuggleFoe on 3:08 am on Sep. 26, 2001
i have no idea how you can compare these two situations.
they're like apples and chainsaws.
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I don't think you really saw my original point before the thing side tracked.
Do you think it's any less/different suffering those that get ravaged by an earthquake feel? They should be given similar global aid as in here. Now, especially if they're in an unimportant (considering the business view) country, they'll only get some crumbs and a pat on the shoulder: "Too bad. Sadly we must spend our money on sports arenas and entertainment districts and crap like that, so we can't spare any." Before one's own gains are at stake, no one's interested in what happens to the neighbour.
Victims are victims are victims. Suffering is the same no matter what the source. All this going on just feels like so much hypocrisy to me. What else would I expect from mankind?
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Amor Fati
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Posted on: 1:04 pm on Sep. 26, 2001 | | IP
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I see your point, but I come back to what I said before. It's all about the fatalist nature of mankind. Earthqauke? Darn, we can't do anything, it happened, bleh. Sorry it did.
Terrorist act? Let's show those fuckers that they can't break us , let's show how unite and strong we are, how we all help each other! This global aid is, at it's bottom, selfish.
Now if there'd been a terrorist act in India or wherever, with 7000 dead, and people didn't unite in helping and fighting this, then you'd have a better point. Like i said before, there were major earthquakes in the States too, and the response was nowhere near what we have now...
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Girl Fly
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Posted on: 1:37 pm on Sep. 26, 2001 | | IP
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I just remembered a quote I liked from the Yankee Stadium prayer ceremony - it was from one of the Rabbis speaking, I think, either that or the Arch Bishop.
I don't remember the exact quote, but it was something along the lines of "6,000 people did not die on September 11, but rather one individual, dying 6,000 times."
For some reason that brought the number home to me.
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JuggleFoe
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Posted on: 1:41 pm on Sep. 26, 2001 | | IP
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Quote: from Glacialis on 2:28 am on Sep. 26, 2001
I don't think you really saw my original point before the thing side tracked.
Do you think it's any less/different suffering those that get ravaged by an earthquake feel?
Victims are victims are victims. Suffering is the same no matter what the source. All this going on just feels like so much hypocrisy to me. What else would I expect from mankind?
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1. yes, they do deserve as much help as possible.
2. yes, humanity is fucked in the head.
if you've got such a problem with it, and i don't mean this to be an antagonistic statement, what are you doing to change that?
i mean, what's worse, victims of two seperate disasters getting entirely different attention/aid, or someone who thinks it's terrible, yet does next to nothing about it?
i, personally, can understand why these two situations are being treated differently, so i'm not getting myself up into a lather about it. you, on the other hand, are.
and as i said: what are you doing about it?
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