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honky618
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Posted on: 1:49 pm on Sep. 20, 2001 |   | IP
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could there be a technology/geek part of the board. you know about computer stuff, such as different kind of new OS' and programs to use on windows and macs
you know, stuff of that nature.
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Robb Force 
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Posted on: 4:17 pm on Sep. 20, 2001 | | IP
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That sounds like a good idea. I'll look at adding a new forum, probably in the General category so it can be about anything tech related.
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JuggleFoe
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Posted on: 7:44 pm on Sep. 20, 2001 | | IP
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now, the difference between ours and the one on grinz' board should be that there's no flaming/criticism allowed.
i think that if someone posts a topic about something that they have an interest in, and you disagree, you should feel more than free to post an entirely new thread about something that you see as an alternative, that suits your needs, and meets your interests.
that's what they call "constructive", i think.
for example, if i posted a thread about how the 867Mhz processor in the new Power Mac G4 is actually faster than a 1.7GHz Pentium 4, i would severly frown upon a "you're a geek for even knowing that" type of reply. i would, however welcome any type of reply that attempts to bring valid points to light that either makes that point invalid, or incorrect.
and if someone posted a topic about their favorite operating system, and i disagreed, i wouldn't go and post a reply in that folder about my favorite kind. because that's not what the folder is about. i'd post a second topic about my favorite OS.
some things are simply a matter of taste, and are extremely dependant upon who you are as a person, and are utterly pointless to debate.
and frankly, that's a concept that was entirely disregarded in grinz' "geek" forum, and by the people who posted in it. of course, the rules there were a whole lot different there than they are here.
so don't forget where you are.
(Edited by JuggleFoe at 9:54 pm on Sep. 20, 2001)
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honky618
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Posted on: 7:52 pm on Sep. 20, 2001 | | IP
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all I said is that I don't like the way that macs are set up.
its cool that they fit your nees. but I like PC's. of course sometimes I do have fun on the imacs in our advanced graphics classes at school.
dont' still be madd about that.
but yes, having a technology forum on this board would be good.
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Posted on: 7:55 pm on Sep. 20, 2001 | | IP
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Quote: Quote: from honky618 on 9:52 pm on Sep. 20, 2001
all I said is that I don't like the way that macs are set up.
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that isn't constructive.
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JuggleFoe
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Posted on: 7:57 pm on Sep. 20, 2001 | | IP
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i suppose i could always stick to creating folder in the form of an "in praise to" thread, where anything that wasn't positive simply wouldn't belong.
do i have to do that?
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Robb Force
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Posted on: 10:18 pm on Sep. 20, 2001 | | IP
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Quote: Quote: from JuggleFoe on 7:55 pm on Sep. 20, 2001
Quote: from honky618 on 9:52 pm on Sep. 20, 2001
all I said is that I don't like the way that macs are set up.
that isn't constructive.
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A form of constructive criticism would be "I don't like the way Macs are set up because I think the keyboard should have had a full 101-keys. The mouse is also difficult to use because it is so small. I end up losing the mouse when I play Quake." or something like that.
Here is an excerpt from a paper on the subject:
'Criticism minimally expresses to an author,"There are standards which are relevant here that your paper does not meet." To be constructive, the critic must go beyond, indeed, avoid simple formulations like,
"This is poorly written," or "This makes no sense."
It is more useful - not to mention, non-threatening - to avoid using such statements entirely. One might say, "The problems with this paper are that ...." This foregoes unnecessary emotional engagement and does the work that a critique should do: specify what it is that makes the paper fall below expectable standards!
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The best procedure as as constructive critic is to adapt the attitude of a team-member trying to improve the workmanship of a colleague. Don't hold back from expressing concern if you think there is a problem; but don't try to intimidate or "one-up" the person whose paper you are criticizing by delivering judgment, but withholding the reasons for it.'
Excerpt snatched from here.
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JuggleFoe
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Posted on: 6:51 am on Sep. 21, 2001 | | IP
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Quote: Quote: from Robb Force on 12:18 am on Sep. 21, 2001
A form of constructive criticism would be "I don't like the way Macs are set up because I think the keyboard should have had a full 101-keys. The mouse is also difficult to use because it is so small. I end up losing the mouse when I play Quake." or something like that.
'don't try to intimidate or "one-up"...by delivering judgment, but withholding the reasons for it.'
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and that's precisely what i mean. 
i'm hoping we see constructive comments like that, rather than "i don't like mac os, or macs because they're for geeks. i'm not a geek. i may be posting my thoughts online to near-strangers and talking about computers, but i'm no geek..."
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honky618
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Posted on: 9:21 am on Sep. 22, 2001 | | IP
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I don't need to know how to speak
I meant that I like PC's more than macs.
I don't find them confusing, I don't loose the mouse, I don't care about how many keys the keyboard has. I'd just rather use a PC and thats probably because thats what I use mostly.
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Posted on: 11:23 am on Sep. 22, 2001 | | IP
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*shrugs*
well, that's an opinion that's not based on any sort of need being filled, so it's really not anything that can be argued in any quantifiable manner.
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Robb Force
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Posted on: 11:56 am on Sep. 22, 2001 | | IP
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Yep. 
I use both. I have an iMac at home and a PIII laptop with windows NT from work and there are certain things I like and dislike on each machine.
I'd rather play games on my PC because it's fast, but there aren't too many made for NT. I'd rather do artwork on my Mac because graphics software seems more natural for the Mac; the same software for a PC just doesn't have a very good feel and may crash from time to time :P
I don't really prefer one system over another because I've used many different systems over the years. I can appreciate that one system may be better suited for certain tasks or software, so I can't say I like PCs better than Macs because I'm more familiar with them.
I think it all comes down to experience. I don't feel any one box of hardware and OS (PC with windows, PC with Linux, PC with Unix, Mac) is better than another in every way. When I have the luxury I choose the system I think will do what I want.
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honky618
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Posted on: 1:11 pm on Sep. 23, 2001 | | IP
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well put robb.
and foe, you need to learn to not be a dick dude.
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JuggleFoe
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Posted on: 2:43 pm on Sep. 23, 2001 | | IP
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Quote: Quote: from honky618 on 3:11 pm on Sep. 23, 2001
well put robb.
and foe, you need to learn to not be a dick dude.
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do i? i mean, really?
or should you maybe realize that there are a whole lot of different types of people, with different senses of humor, and general attitudes, and you're just gonna' have to bite a pillow and learn to deal with it?
*shrugs*
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honky618
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Posted on: 3:27 pm on Sep. 24, 2001 | | IP
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I have a wide variety of senses of humour.
you're funny from time to time.
I dunno but I don't see you as someone that could handle being around people or something.
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Posted on: 9:33 pm on Sep. 24, 2001 | | IP
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i find the mere implication that i act the same way in real life as i do on the board utterly humorous.
i mean, in reality, i do hate 95% of the people i see on a daily basis, but that makes me appreciate the other 5% that much more.
(Edited by JuggleFoe at 11:36 pm on Sep. 24, 2001)
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technology/geek part of the board.
